Estaba claro que emularía genial no tengo nada en contra de emular juegos retro, que se están perdiendo por así decirlo, lo que no emularía jamás son juegos de actualidad.
La gente que trabaja duro por traernos buenos juegos debe ver recompensado su esfuerzo, es una cosa que puede ser un arma de doble filo por que son ventas que no consiguen y que pueden repercutir en próximos lanzamientos.
Qué nostalgia me ha dado ver a la Saturn, se me desbloqueó un recuerdo XD
Pues si, mola un montón para revisar esos juegos de nuestro pasado, pero como dice @Inyeon a lo mejor existe una fina línea entre la emulación y la piratería (aunque en concreto este señor, cuando habla de la Switch dice que lo suyo es comprarse una Switch...por supuesto).
Me pregunto...¿cuándo se empiezan a considerar los juegos retro? ¿deberían ceñirse a plataformas que ya no existen o que son muy difíciles de encontrar hoy en día como los arcades? o por ejemplo, ¿cualquier consola que no es de última generación podría considerarse "retro"? 🤔
Y en cuanto a lo de los creadores recibiendo el dinero que se merecen por su duro trabajo, pues...ya nos meteríamos en temas de publishers y los porcentajes que se llevan los "intermediarios" en comparación con los creadores (un tema que daría para una conversación muuuuuy larga, jajaja)
PD, de todas formas, la emulación me parece una aplicación fantástica y muy apropiada para las consolas de mano 💙
Qué nostalgia me ha dado ver a la Saturn, se me desbloqueó un recuerdo XD
Pues si, mola un montón para revisar esos juegos de nuestro pasado, pero como dice @Inyeon a lo mejor existe una fina línea entre la emulación y la piratería (aunque en concreto este señor, cuando habla de la Switch dice que lo suyo es comprarse una Switch...por supuesto).
Me pregunto...¿cuándo se empiezan a considerar los juegos retro? ¿deberían ceñirse a plataformas que ya no existen o que son muy difíciles de encontrar hoy en día como los arcades? o por ejemplo, ¿cualquier consola que no es de última generación podría considerarse "retro"? 🤔
Y en cuanto a lo de los creadores recibiendo el dinero que se merecen por su duro trabajo, pues...ya nos meteríamos en temas de publishers y los porcentajes que se llevan los "intermediarios" en comparación con los creadores (un tema que daría para una conversación muuuuuy larga, jajaja)
PD, de todas formas, la emulación me parece una aplicación fantástica y muy apropiada para las consolas de mano 💙
Para mi la definición de retro es aquellos juegos que mínimo tienen 10 años. Aunque si nos referimos a tema de "apartir de cuantos años es moralmente correcto emular" ahí te diría que apartir de que el juego tiene como 3 años y ya ha vendido lo que la empresa tenia previsto. Si puedes comprarlo a un buen precio y sigue siendo de fácil acceso su compra,mejor comprarlo.Pero y si no sabes si el juego es bueno o sigue estando carisimo y es imposible comprarlo nuevo?Ahí ya lo pensaría
@Otagastrife, supongo que estarás al tanto, pero la máquina legal de Nintendo va a saco contra los creadores del emulador Yuzu. Parece que no se amilanan y quieren llegar a juicio, pero la gran N, es la gran N 🙄
@YeiCov Si...Sé que está pasando un lío. Pero legalmente de lo único que se están quejando es de que se enseñe como extraer y dumpear los juegos.También tenemos el tema de que antes del estreno oficial de totk ya se podia jugar PEROO eso era en una versión de yuzu creada por la comunidad.Oficialmente yuzu lo hizo compatible el dia de su estreno. Aparte de eso nintendo siempre quiere demandar a todos.Los de Yuzu saben que no la han pifiado. Puede que pierdan pero aunque nintendo tenga abogados ninja y sean los mejores creo que Yuzu sabe que són "trigo limpio".Que la gente use más yuzu para piratear es una cosa,que yuzu esté destinado a eso es otra .Pero como Yuzu para nintendo es "la causa de esto"pues dan pataleadas de niños pequeños en contra suyo.Pero si nintendo llegara a ganar por lo que sea este juego....despidete de casi todos los emuladores aparte de los de nintendo.Ya que esto tendria un efecto bola de nieve si llegara a acabar mal.
En realidad gana a medias, porque al haber llegado a un acuerdo extrajudicial no sienta ningún precedente válido. Parece que o el equipo de Yuzu no iba a poder hacer frente a las costas judicial, o no se arriesgaron a poder perder, o sí que tenían algo que ocultar y prefirieron retirarse. Hay un comunicado por ahí en el que se muestran... consternados y arrepentidos del uso que han dado a su programa... en su discord oficial ese discurso arranca con un "el siguiente comunicado forma parte textualmente del acuerdo": O sea que lo redactó Nintendo.
Al no haber una sentencia judicial en firme y el código fuente estar libre, es más que probable que vuelva a surgir alguna otra copia. También nos vamos a seguir quedando con la duda sobre los límites que la ley pone al derecho de uso de la copia privada y la emulación de plataformas vigentes.
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En cualquier caso, yo pondría en oculto cualquier vídeo en el que se mostrase a yuzu ejecutándose, por lo que pudiese pasar.
P.D.: En la Ally van los juegos a mejor calidad y fluidez que en la propia consola original, tanto una al lado de la otra, como conectada a una televisión. Y encima te ahorras estar llevando encima los cartuchos... Yo es que el último juego físico que compré fue en PS3, a parte de los de Nintendo
@YeiCov en realidad lo dije un poco en serio y un poco como meme. En realidad toda la queja de nintendo se debe al tema de las keys y muchas capturas que nintendo sacó de su discord privado enseñando que el tema de que se pudiera jugar a TOTk antes de la fecha implica que debieron tener acceso ilegal a una copia antes de su lanzamiento.Pero si Yuzu es totalmente legal como tienen acceso a ello?Y si es pura ingenieria inversa porqué yuzu requiere llaves con copyright que no són de su propiedad y que encima,legalmente no se deberia divulgar como se pueden extraer.
Pensaba que el tema de TOTK era por parte de los fans.Pero despues de leer y escuchar más acerca del tema veo que la cosa es peor de lo que parecia.
La demanda,para ser más exactos es a los creadores de yuzu por sus cagadas en cuanto al emulador.No es directamente a yuzu sino a todas las leyes que rompieron al enseñar como obtener las keys y la compatibilidad de TOTK antes del lanzamiento. Así que en teoria no deberia ser un antecedente negativo.Pero seguramente muchos otros emuladores al ver que también han hecho cosas...ilegales queriendo o sin querer podria chapar por miedo.
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