Właśnie pojawiają się pierwsze recenzje procesorów AMD Ryzen 9000, które zastępują Ryzeny 7000.
Spodziewać by się mogło, że po 2 latach R&D, dopieszczeniu architektury i problemach Intela, AMD wypuści na rynek hit. Niestety, ale nic bardziej mylnego.
Link do porównania Ryzen 7 7700x vs Ryzen 7 9700x, autorstwa Hardware Unboxed
TL;DR - Następca jest 3% szybszy przy 24% wyższej cenie (ok. 21% wyższy koszt za FPS).
Co sądzicie o nowej generacji?
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Update.
Wiele recenzji ma różne wyniki wydajności i poboru mocy.
Nawet biorąc pod uwagę najlepsze przypadki, skok wydajności do ceny jest słaby.
Tutaj kolejna recenzja, autor LTT
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Faktycznie na kolana nie powala, ale dużo zależy też od ceny. Cena na premierze jest niższa niż za Zen4, pewnie za pół roku trochę spadnie i wtedy ten procesor będzie bardziej atrakcyjny. Jest duża poprawa wydajności w stosunku do poboru mocy. Większość ludzi na pecetach ma to gdzieś, ale w laptopach które są ograniczone do 45W to ma znaczenie.
Inna sprawa, że AMD chwilowo nie musi się specjalnie starać jak pół internetu memuje o rdzewiejących trzynastkach. 🙄
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@Saka Oczywiście, cena spadnie. Jednak nadal nadal to słaby stosnek ceny do wydajności. Mimo wszystko, benchmarki są dziwnie zróżnicowane. Czasem 9700x jest w grach podobne do 7800x3d, a czasem słabsze od 7700x... Zależy od recenzji.
Tylko w laptopach mamy teraz Ryzen "AI" 3000 HX coś tam, nie Ryzen 9000 (mobilne CPU AMD tej generacji wydają się akurat być bardzo dobre). Więc wydajność energetyczna nie ma aż takiego znaczenia.
Ryzen 7000 vs 9000 wygląda bardzo podobnie jak Intel 13 i 14 gen - refresh z kilka % lepszymi wynikami, nie nowa generacja.
Kolejne, nawet lepsze porównanie - NVIDIA RTX 3060 vs 4060.
Nowsza karta jest kilka procent wydajniejsza, PRZEGRYWA w kilku grach z poprzednikiem i ma trochę lepszą wydajnośćenergetyczną.
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@Marcelek Może te różnice w benchmarkach wynikają z włączenia PBO w BIOSie? Linus na końcu recenzji powiedział, że zwiększyło to znacznie wydajność, tylko że z 65 watowego procesora zrobił się 140watowy.
Kilka procent większa wydajność przy 40% poprawie wydajności energetycznej to jednak sporo mimo wszystko. Nie powiedziałabym, że jest to jak z Ampere vs Ada.
Ale fakt, że ludzie się zastanawiają czemu AMD nie wykorzystało pełni rezerw mocy w tej generacji. PBO to technicznie overclock, oficjalnie jest poza gwarancją i sporo czasu minie zanim się dowiemy o wpływie długotrwałego włączenia tej funkcji.
Już są pierwsze memy o tym.
Edit: Natknęłam się na taki komentarz:
Enabling PBO brings power draw very close to 7700X and yields a decent uplift multi core scores demonstrating that there is performance headroom and the part is at a pretty sweet spot on the efficiency curve. However I have not yet seen to many PBO tests to quantify the uplift but Der8auer measured 20% in CB23.
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@Saka Tylko problem jest z benchmarkami prezentowanymi przez AMD, gdzie 9700x miał być kilka procent wydajniejszy od 7800x3d, a nie 7700x. Dużo osób nie robi PBO (ani tym bardziej OC).
Czyżby ostatni pre-sale recall to nie tylko zły nadruk na IHS, ale też obniżenie pobieranej mocy?
Co by nie pisać, trzeba poczekać jeszcze jakiś czas aż wszystko się wyjaśni.
Na obecną chwilę, ja jestem zawiedziony.
Odpowiedź do edita:
Jeśli faktycznie wydajnośc to ok. 20% więcej (w grach), to byłoby już całkiem nieźle.
Nadal jednak to zarezerwowane tylko dla tych, którzy wiedzą jak wejść do UEFI, czyli odpada jakieś 95% użytkowników desktopów.
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@Marcelek Sprawdziłam slajdy od AMD i na nich porównanie było do 5800X3D, a nie 7800X3D. Od początku spodziewałam się, że 7800X3D pozostanie na tronie aż wyjdą Zen 5 z tym 3D cache. Z premierą Zen 4 była analogiczna sytuacja.
Niższe TDP procesorów było zapowiedziane wcześniej, więc wątpię, by recall był z tym związany. Zresztą opóźnili premierę procesorów z górnej półki, a nie tych ze średniej. Pierwotnie mniejsi bracia mieli się ukazać później. Czytałam raczej spekulacje, że procesory nie sięgały swoich boostów, tak jak często było to z procesorami Zen 2.
Spekulacje: Windows może nie posiadać optymalnego mikrokodu dla Zen5, do Linuksa takie aktualizacje szybciej przychodzą. Możliwe też, że lepsza optymalizacja kompilerów też pomaga tym procesorom.
Gaming benchmark na Linuxie:
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@Saka Faktycznie, mój błąd z tym 5800x3d/7800x3d.
Tylko nie zgodzę się z tym:
Od początku spodziewałam się, że 7800X3D pozostanie na tronie aż wyjdą Zen 5 z tym 3D cache. Z premierą Zen 4 była analogiczna sytuacja.
No właśnie Ryzen 7 5800x3d jest bardzo podobny w grach do R7 7700x.
Myślałem, że AMD się bardziej postara i będą chcieli zgarnąć jeszcze wiekszą część rynku, kiedy Intel sobie nie radzi.
Mam wrażenie, że spoczęli na laurach. Ilość rdzeni na desktopach się nie ruszyła od 2017, jedynie z nowości mamy 3d v-cache. Ostatnie Ryzen 3 bez iGPU to seria 3000 (5 lat temu).
Nadal większy rozwój niż Intel 14nm+++(+), ale nie podoba mi się ten kierunek.
Co do Linuxa i poboru mocy, to chyba najlepiej czekać na oficjalne stanowisko AMD. Powinno im zależeć na wyjaśnieniu wszystkiego, skoro procesory mogą być nawet 20% wydajniejsze.
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@Marcelek Słusznie z tym brakiem produktów z budżetowej półki. Linus też o tym wspomniał na końcu recenzji, że brakuje czegoś za 200 dolarów bądź mniej.
Przypuszczenia własne i z neta: AM5 jest drogą platformą, płyty nadal mają wyższe ceny niż AM4. Do tego wysoka konkurencja z innymi klientami TSMC, koszt najnowszych procesów itp. Portowanie wstecz na starszy, bardziej dostępny proces też by było nieopłacalne. Intel z własnymi fabrykami teoretycznie ma bardziej komfortową sytuację (gdyby nie fakt, że z tej fabryki zwolnił znaczną ilość personelu i co i rusz ma problemy).
Ostatnio wychodzą jakieś dziwne procesory na AM4 typu 5800XT. Może w końcu będą mieli krzemowe odpadki, żeby puścić coś dla klientów z mniej zasobnym portfelem. Póki co jednak nic potwierdzonego i same plotki.
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@Saka AM5 jest droższą platformą od AM4, ale już nie aż tak bardzo jak na premierę. Rozumiem czemu nie ma Ryzenów 3 na AM5, ale nadal szkoda. Chyba trochę wychodzą z założenia, że jak ktoś chce budżetowego CPU, to weźmie R5 z AM4 lub AM5, kiedy seria 7000 stanieje.
Z tym 5800XT, 5900XT i ich benchmarkami to koszmar.
Last edited by Marcelek; 07-08-24 at 22:14.
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@Marcelek Chłop dzisiaj oglądał recenzję od Bauera. Wygląda na to, że do celów użytkowych Zen 5 to kosmos. Być może AMD wyszło z założenia, że gracze będą woleli chipy X3D i odbiorcami tej premiery są głównie ludzie używający systemów do pracy.
W grach 7800X3D nie dość, że wyciąga więcej klatek to i mniej energii zjada.
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